Problema tarjeta SD memoria interna

[Angeliyo0]

 Cita: Originalmente Escrito por LosBrisas

una vez la has descargado se instala en la SD en modo "memoria interna"

Y no se puede pasar a la SD?

[LosBrisas]

 Cita: Originalmente Escrito por Angeliyo0

Y no se puede pasar a la SD?

si está la SD formateada como "memoria externa" se puede pasar SÓLO si la app lo permite

[Angeliyo0]

 Cita: Originalmente Escrito por LosBrisas

si está la SD formateada como "memoria externa" se puede pasar SÓLO si la app lo permite

Se puede pasar , pero en la memoria interna sigue estando los datos del juego , y me deja sin memoria ..una completa estafa de google ..

[LosBrisas]

 Cita: Originalmente Escrito por Angeliyo0

Se puede pasar , pero en la memoria interna sigue estando los datos del juego , y me deja sin memoria ..una completa estafa de google ..

Siempre hay una parte de la app que no se puede pasar (el ejecutable) por motivos de seguridad y anti - piratería, pero es cierto que en 4.2.2 se pasaban casi enteras y en 6.0 lo han cortado de raíz y ya dependes del modo "interno" plagado de bugs y que ralentiza el teléfono, un gran paso atrás. En 5.1.1 también dejaba pasar los juegos en gran medida a la externa.

[Angeliyo0]

 Cita: Originalmente Escrito por LosBrisas

Siempre hay una parte de la app que no se puede pasar (el ejecutable) por motivos de seguridad y anti - piratería, pero es cierto que en 4.2.2 se pasaban casi enteras y en 6.0 lo han cortado de raíz y ya dependes del modo "interno" plagado de bugs y que ralentiza el teléfono, un gran paso atrás. En 5.1.1 también dejaba pasar los juegos en gran medida a la externa.

Gracias google por cagarla .
Gracias por la ayuda

[LosBrisas]

 Cita: Originalmente Escrito por Angeliyo0

Gracias google por cagarla .
Gracias por la ayuda

Nada, ya encontraremos solución para las tarjetas SD, por ahora sólo se me ocurre como dije volver a 5.1.1 hasta que salga una versión más madura de Marshmallow, por mi parte no veo nada interesante en 6.0 y sí noto cosas que me faltan.

[iLog]

 Cita: Originalmente Escrito por LosBrisas

Este problema en cuestión es lo que hace inservible el modo "adoptable" o "memoria interna" para la SD Card en Marshmallow, ya no es sólo que ralentiza el sistema... es que da igual las veces que se borren los datos y caché de las apps multimedia y medios externos, al final siempre Marshmallow aleatoriamente cada ciertos días desmonta la tarjeta o no la reconoce y se pierden las aplicaciones que estuvieran instaladas así como sus datos, dejando nada más que como opción el modo "memoria externa" para la tarjeta SD... pero ojo, en Marshmallow ya no se pueden pasar las apps a la SD como sí se podía en 5.1.1 y anteriores...

una situación "curiosa", la verdad es que Google programa sus sistemas orientados a los Nexus que nunca han tenido y nunca tendrán una ranura para tarjetas SD y de ahí la cantidad de bugs que llevan estas opciones para el resto de dispositivos, incluso hay apps de Google como Play Music que no detectan la SD Card a la hora de grabar música en Marshmallow...

ciertamente no niego que Marshmallow aporte alguna que otra característica más o menos relevante a Android, pero es un GRAN PASO ATRÁS en cuanto a los usuarios que quieran emplear tarjetas SD en sus dispositivos, en el caso del Motorola Moto G 2015 la experiencia de uso en la versión 5.1.1 era excepcional y con Marshmallow directamente se ha perdido casi por completo, al menos se ha arruinado, depende de la importancia y las aplicaciones que usemos pero muchas funciones ya no están, sobre todo pasar apps a la SD sin tener que configurar la SD como interna y perder la info cada ciertos días.

Por este motivo entre otros después de haber probado y comprobado que Marshmallow no aporta NADA a mi dispositivo que necesite y sin embargo ELIMINA funciones que sí que necesito y empleaba me vuelvo a 5.1.1 en su última versión que funcionaba de 10, con un rendimiento igual o superior a Marshmallow (no os dejéis engañar por las animaciones aceleradas que hacen suponer que las apps cargan antes cuando lo que hacen es cargar a "trozos") en general el rendimiento es igual (peor en Chrome) pero con bugs y características eliminadas que realmente no vale la pena tragar, ya llegará una versión mejor... y si no llegara pues 5.1.1 lo tiene absolutamente todo para bastante tiempo ya que seguirá siendo el sistema operativo con más usuarios en unos meses (actualmente es KitKat y Jelly Bean) y las apps se optimizarán primero a Lollipop (30% de usuarios de Android) después a KitKat (otro 30% de usuarios) y Jelly Bean (27%) y luego a Marshmallow (2% de usuarios), incluso hay un 10% que tiene versiones anteriores a 4.1.1... con eso se dice todo.

Entiendo que aquellos que compraron la versión de 8 GB del Moto G3 para usar posteriormente una tarjeta de memoria SD en Marshmallow se sentirán defraudados, la verdad es que es una pena, pero siempre podrán regresar a 5.1.1, Marshmallow tiene mucho trabajo por delante y con sólo un 2% de usuarios del total de usuarios de Android no confío mucho en que las apps se optimicen especialmente para este sistema operativo.

Hola, gracias por la información.

Entonces, en Lollipop 5.1.1 éste móvil la versión de 8Gb interno ¿que tal se comporta?

¿se pueden pasar las aplicaciones a la SD externa sin los problemas de android 6.01, o sucede algo similar? Quiero decir movil de fábrica, sin estar flasheado ni rooteado.

¿cuanto almacenamiento libre queda en Lollipopo y en Marshmallow la versión de 8Gb?
Me refiero encendido de primeras sacado de la caja.

Gracias de antemano y un saludo.

[LosBrisas]

 Cita: Originalmente Escrito por iLog

Hola, gracias por la información.

Entonces, en Lollipop 5.1.1 éste móvil la versión de 8Gb interno ¿que tal se comporta?

¿se pueden pasar las aplicaciones a la SD externa sin los problemas de android 6.01, o sucede algo similar? Quiero decir movil de fábrica, sin estar flasheado ni rooteado.

¿cuanto almacenamiento libre queda en Lollipopo y en Marshmallow la versión de 8Gb?
Me refiero encendido de primeras sacado de la caja.

Gracias de antemano y un saludo.

Para la versión de 8 GB yo recomendaría 5.1.1 porque 6.0 usa más RAM... por otra parte la versión 6.0 deja más almacenamiento libre, 3,8 GB vs 5 GB aproximadamente en el modelo de 8 GB, el problema es que no se recomienda usar la SD para "ampliar" el almacenamiento interno del dispositivo por la cantidad de bugs y la lentitud que adopta el dispositivo. Realmente yo me quedaría si tuviera la versión 8/1 en 5.1.1 y con la tarjeta iría tirando pasando algunas aplicaciones ya que no presenta problemas en este aspecto comparado con Marshmallow.

Saludos !

[beninin]

En marshmallow puedes pasar cualquier aplicación a la tarjeta (en los ajustes de la app viene ubicación la de la app o algo así) siempre y cuando la tengas configurada como interna, pero la memoria interna (del móvil) queda "inútil" solo la puedes utilizar para almacenar aplicaciones, para lo demás ya está la tarjeta de memoria, yo que la tengo puesta en modo normal puedo ver ambas memorias tanto la del móvil como la de la tarjeta de memoria, de la otra manera no se puede ver la del móvil) en problema es que ahora no puedes mover aplicaciones cómo se podía hacer en Lollipop, solamente puede seleccionando la tarjeta de memoria como interna.

Aquí viene muy bien explicado (sacado de reddit)

(Click para mostrar/ocultar)

Marshmallow introduces a new way to format the external SD card called "Internal". If you choose this, and then agree to Marshmallow's request to move your app, app data, Photos, Movies to the external SD card, you will experience the startling side effect that you will lose visibility over the built-in local storage on your device. If you had 8 GB internal storage and 32 GB external SD card, which were visible as 2 items within ES File Explorer or Total Commander File Manager. Then after conversion to "Internal", you will only see ONE item. This will be the new internal storage - except it will be the same size as external SD card i.e. 32 GB - and in fact it will be the external SD card.

You will not see local storage as 8 GB plus 32 GB, but only 32 GB.

Basically after the move to "Internal" mode, you will lose visibility over the built-in local storage. And the only storage visible will be the external SD card - whether viewed using a file manager app, or when connected via USB to your laptop (Mac OS X with Android File Manager).

The built-in internal storage will be available too but in an indirect way. Apps and app data will still be stored on it. While system apps and their app data will reside on built-in local storage, you will be able to shift around all the other apps (those which do allow saving to SD card). Marshmallow allows you to change the location for such third-party (i.e. not system) apps.

Beyond this you will not have visibility over the built-in local storage. You will not be able to manage it, create random files or folders in it.

The only local storage over which you will have file manager type control (ability to micro-manage it) will be the external SD card, which will now appear as the only item in your file manager app - it will thus be the new "local storage" (actually external SD card).

Since the move to external SD card will have moved your Photos, Movies and other folders - this external SD card will have the same contents as you earlier may have seen on your built-in local storage (when you viewed it in ES File Explorer or Total Commander File Manager within android).

Portable mode:

on first encounter with a new SD card that Marshmallow wants to convert to Portable, the data will not be destroyed and it will start behaving as you were used to with Lollipop

if you convert from Internal to Portable format that will destroy the data - so copy your Internal formatted SD card data out to somewhere else first before you convert it back to Portable

if you had 8 GB internal storage and added an 8 GB SD card which you format to Portable - your file manager will show two entries one for internal storage 8 GB, and one for external SD card 8 GB - as you are familiar with on Lollipop (this is NOT the case for Internal mode - see below)

Internal mode:

on first encounter with a new SD card that Marshmallow wants to convert to Internal, the data will be destroyed so you should copy data out somewhere first as backup. Marshmallow DOES allow a "Migrate" option but you would be advised to avoid it, because people have reported problems with that migration.

to convert from Portable to Internal, the process is same as when you first encounter an SD card with Marshmallow, except it no longer offers a Migrate option - so it is a complete erase, so backup anything you want from SD card before doing that.

if you had 8 GB internal storage and added an 8 GB SD card which you format to Internal and then accepted Marshmallow suggestion to move apps, app data, Photos, Movies to SD card - your file manager will show ONE entry only for internal storage 8 GB. This will be the external SD card - and the contents it shows will be the stuff that Marshmallow moved. Now this will be your visible storage i.e. external SD card only, and you will not have visibility or micro-manage ability over the built-in local storage.

the built-in local storage will not be completely lost to you - since it WILL be used, except it will be used behind the scenes. The only place you will know you have built-in internal storage is if you check Settings - Storage & USB - it will show internal storage and SD card and their total space and free space. The other place you will be aware about the built-in local storage will be Settings - Apps where (with Internal mode only - and NOT in Portable mode) you will have ability to move apps and their app data between internal storage and SD card. You will be able to do this for all apps which allow move to SD card. You will not be able to move system apps or built-in apps that came with your phone (app and app data for those will always reside on internal storage). Chat applications and apps which like to be always available will generally not allow move to SD card option. This option is set by the developer, and you as a user cannot override it. If a developer has labelled their app for internal storage only, then when you install it from Google Play, it will install to built-in internal storage, and when the developer allows "auto" installation i.e. can be anywhere then Marshmallow will install it to the external SD card - this is all for Internal mode. In Portable mode, all apps and app data are installed to built-in internal storage without exception. Some users using Internal mode have reported that their version of Marshmallow on their variety of AndroidOne phone IS allowing them to move all apps, even the ones the developer has specified should only be installed on internal storage - to the SD card - i.e. the user can move even those apps to SD card. More on that below.

The Settings - Storage & USB - Storage - Change location button does not appear if you have Portable mode. That is as with Lollipop, under Portable mode in Marshmallow, you cannot move apps to SD card. However in Internal mode, under Marshmallow, you CAN move apps and app data to external SD card (NOTE: app data is the stuff that gets cleared if you do Clear Data for your app). However, even with Internal mode, you CANNOT move apps which were labelled as non-movable by the developer. For example chat and other apps disallow moving to SD card and these cannot be moved. And system and built-in apps cannot be moved either. POSSIBLE BUG ON SOME DEVICES: However, I have seen screenshots (see this post by Austin Pinto on eyes-free google group, where that device running Marshmallow IS allowing moving all apps (though still excluding system and built-in apps). That is, it is violating the developer's preference for where the app should be installed. While this seems like a good feature, the downside of this aggressive movement ability seems to be that when you upgrade such an app from Google Play, the updated app will wind up AGAIN on your internal storage, and you will lose your earlier cached data. So for now, only move apps which allow moving, but for users with the variant version of Marshmallow on their AndroidOne device, they will not have any indicator if the app is really allowing movement to SD card, or if it is Marshmallow being aggressive in overriding developer's preferences.

Another SMALL BUG that I have seen on my AndroidOne device running Marshmallow is in Settings - Storage & USB - Storage. For an app which disallows Change location to SD card, this does not show the Change location button. But while on this page, if you rotate the phone to landscape mode, the Clear Data became labelled as Change. If you pressed it did nothing i.e. didn't do Clear Data or do Change. So this is a layout bug in Marshmallow it seems, but it may confuse some users using the device in landscape mode.

in addition to the built-in local storage becoming invisible (as a side-effect of choosing Internal mode for your external SD card !), your external SD card should now be considered an integrated part of your device. Because any data on your external SD card will ONLY be readable while this is inserted in your device, and using your device. You will only be able to see data on external SD card using file manager apps, transferring it out using Bluetooth or Wifi Transfer, or using your USB cable to your computer etc. But AS SOON AS you take your external SD card that is Internal mode OUT of your device, it will be completely unreadable (because it is formatted ext4 format, and more importantly encrypted). So you can not be lax about thinking that "my data is safe on the SD card". Because if you take it out of the device, that SD has NO recoverable data - it ONLY has that data WHILE it is inside that particular android device. So you will have to understand this very basic change about your SD card.

since using Internal mode has all these caveats, you should really consider whether Internal mode will be beneficial for your situation. If you have a high-end device with more than 8 GB of built-in internal storage, you would be losing access to that (for storing data etc.). The built-in local storage will become the property of Marshmallow with limited control by you over it (maximum is you can decide which app and app data can reside on built-in local storage and which on external SD card). If you have lots of internal storage then a lot of that may go unused. Internal storage may also be 10x faster than external SD cards, so you would be prohibiting access to all that fast storage for your other uses, and will be restricting yourself to storing data your produce on the external SD card alone (which should be ok, since even movies can be streamed well at external SD card speeds). If you have a device with less than 8 GB of internal storage (i.e. a cheaper android device) you may consider that adding a 32GB external SD card, and making it look like internal storage may have good benefits - you will be able to install lots of huge game apps without worry. But you too should be concerned about how you will eventually take that data off the SD card, since as explained above, that SD card data is ONLY valid/readable in that particular android device (since it is encrypted and won't be readable elsewhere). So you will have to back it up using USB cable to laptop, Bluetooth, Wifi transfer or Google Drive etc.

END OF SUMMARY

This is addressing all Marshmallow users who have devices with built-in SD card slots.

We installed Marshmallow from the official Google update for AndroidOne phones. AndroidOne phones are officially supported by Google with official Marshmallow update available now: http://www.android.com/one AndroidOne

These are probably the only android devices with built-in SD card slots that are running official Marshmallow. These devices shipped with Kit Kat, and were immediately upgradable to Lollipop. Recently Marshmallow started becoming available and yesterday we updated to Marshmallow.

We have experimented a bit with the Marshmallow external SD card features and here are our preliminary findings and recommendations for best practices for non-tech users.

NOTE: on Marshmallow, whenever you format your external SD card, or "Eject" it, and then mount it again, you should restart your device (otherwise your card may not be recognized, and will not behave correctly - so just restart after such changes) - similar to:

PSA: I formatted my SD Card as internal storage, and I regret it now (marshmallow)

Portable mode vs. Internal mode

When you update to Marshmallow, it will ask you to format your SD card as either "Portable mode" or as "Internal mode". Portable mode is like the usage we are familiar with - the SD card retains it's data. With Internal mode it will format it as ext4 and encrypt it. Thus you can erase the data already on SD card, or you will have a choice to Migrate the data. However internet reports are that migration can get stuck, so you would be advised to perhaps copy this data out somewhere, and do a clean erase (you can later put the data back manually). This will be the simplest problem free approach for dealing with Internal mode for your SD card.

"Portable" mode - easy to understand (a continuation of how Lollipop behaved with SD cards)

The Portable mode for formatting external SD cards is the one people should stick with, if they want a mode which they can understand.

Portable mode works similar to how SD cards worked in Lollipop. That is, the same restrictions on writing to external SD card, and the special method app developers have to employ if they want to enable writing to SD card. So for example file managers on android like ES File Explorer or Total Commander have made the effort to include this SD card support. And you can freely explore, and manage your SD cards in these apps. However most apps have not bothered and thus there are file manager apps, and other apps which don't fully support external SD cards.

So if you stick to Portable mode for your external SD card (the card you insert into your phone's SD card slot), you will not be surprised.

"Internal mode" - ext4 and encryption - and a whole lot of other stuff ..

With Internal mode, most users will know that this formats the SD card as ext4 and encrypts it so it is only accessible on this device (so it will not show anything if SD card is removed and plugged into your laptop).

Most users will be ok with this concession - since Internal mode seems to be a better integration of your SD card with your internal storage.

However, this is not the only disruptive change with Internal mode.

The first surprise to new users will be that the external SD card disappears and will no longer be viewable by any file manager app as a separate entity.

Instead there will be only one entry visible in ES File Explorer and Total Commander File Manager.

Secondly, if users comply with Marshmallow request to move apps, app data, photos, movies and other stuff to external SD card. Then a lot of stuff will be happening which may not be obvious.

Firstly, what looks to be internal storage in a file manager (there will be only one storage type, since SD card will no longer be visible), will now be showing what resides on your external SD card (since all the user accessible stuff on internal storage will have been moved to the newly formatted external SD card).

The real built-in internal storage will no longer be visible .. as the user data has been copied to the external SD card, and that is being shown.

In effect your external SD card has now become the public face of your earlier internal storage.

The question now becomes, what happens to all the internal storage which was freed - and where is it visible.

The answer is that the internal storage is NO LONGER visible or accessible to the user.

If they create a new folder using a file manager on what they see as internal storage (there will only be one type of storage visible anyway in file manager apps). Then these new folder you create will be on the external SD card.

Performance advantages of internal vs. external SD card

So the question is - how do you create stuff on the internal storage (built-in) the one that is 10 times faster than external SD cards ?

And the answer (as far as I can tell so far) is that you have no control over that fast internal storage anymore - it is not visible anywhere and you cannot create folders etc. on it for your stuff.

This means that if you have a phone with 32 GB or 64 GB of internal fast flash storage. You are essentially not using it anymore for saving your apps, games, photos or movies etc.

So for users who paid a lot of money to buy premium phones, just the act of formatting their external SD cards as "Internal" mode, will be depriving them of access to their fast expensive internal storage.

This suggests that "Internal" mode really only makes sense for those devices - devices under 8 GB of internal storage etc. - where you don't mind losing access to the internal storage.

Perhaps in the future with $50 android devices, there may be devices which have less than 8 GB of internal storage. For these it would be great to plug in cheap external storage - an extra 8 GB for $5 or so - and expand space for apps and games.

But if you have a device with 8 GB of internal storage, or more like 16 GB, 32 GB or 64 GB. There you have already paid for expensive, 10 times faster, internal storage. Switching to "Internal" for a measly 32 GB external SD card may wind up depriving you of access to the vast fast internal storage you have already paid for and have on your phone.

CONCLUSION

If you have an android device with more than 8 GB of internal storage (32 GB etc.), you maybe better off choosing "Portable" mode for your external SD card. If you have an android device with less than 8 GB of internal storage (maybe 4 GB phones will appear in the future for $50 price tag ?) - you maybe better off choosing "Internal" mode for your external SD card (buy an 8GB external SD card for $5 to expand internal storage on your device).

This is what I have understood so far. Please correct my understanding if there are errors.

Thanks.

We are the developers of the Amazing Audio Voice Recorder, and the upcoming Amazing Audio MP3 Recorder app on Google Play Store.

EDIT:

While "Internal" mode for external SD card makes the original internal storage inaccessible via File Manager etc., it is not completely correct to say that you won't be using the internal storage anymore. Since any apps installed can still be moved between internal storage and external SD card (Settings - Apps - app - Storage - Change Location). So you will still be able to install apps and app data to the built-in local storage (or move app and app data to external SD card).

The access you lose with "Internal" mode is the ability to browse the internal storage, and to manage data on local storage.

One advantage of "Internal" mode is that it allows you move apps from local storage to external SD card. If you choose "Portable" mode, then Settings - Apps - app - Storage will not show a Choose Location option (this option does appear for "Internal" mode).

SURPRISES FOR NEW USERS

Some of the confusion that can arise for new users is from the psychological perception that the "Internal" mode is better because it sounds like it is more integrated.

And from the (understandable) assumption that what was accessible before would not suddenly become invisible now.

The Marshmallow guide fails in this regard to warn users that choosing "Internal" mode is very similar to REPLACING their local storage with the external SD card (except with the concession that new apps installed will still be able to install to local storage OR external SD card - so you will have a choice). What the guide is also not clear about is that the empty space of the local storage will become invisible to the user. And that everything that was previously visible will be moved to external SD card (and not just the app, app data, Photos, Movies, and Other Data - would have been simpler to say that everything will be moved).

When slightly technical users hear of "Internal" mode for the external SD card, their thoughts will immediately go to a perfect world (of open access) where the external SD card gets mounted on the existing file structure (and so would remain visible as a folder perhaps). Then when they see Marshmallow suggesting apps, app data and Photos, Movies will be moved, they think only these things will be moved (and not "everything"). They may also make the mistake of assuming that if they can be moved once, then they can be moved back to the internal storage (no harm done).

IRREVERSIBLE CHANGES

But the reality is that once you move data from the internal storage to "Internal" formatted external SD card, then there seems to be no way to move that data off that and back to the built-in local storage (without copying data out to some outside place first). One reason is that the built-in local storage is no longer accessible to them. All the file managers will show just one internal storage and that will be showing the stuff on external SD card. So you cannot just copy the stuff on external SD card (Internal mode) to the built-in internal storage - mainly because the built-in internal storage isn't visible to you (so how are you going to copy it).

PROCEDURE TO REVERT BACK FROM INTERNAL TO PORTABLE MODE

To move from Internal mode to Portable mode (while retaining all the app, app data, photos, movies now on the external SD card), you will need to first copy out all the stuff that is visible currently on your device (when in Internal mode, this will be all the stuff on the external SD card). So you will be copying out all the stuff on your external SD card (Internal mode).

Then format it to Portable, it will say you need to backup etc. (which you have done already). After formatting is done, restart the phone (for reasons given above). After device has rebooted, your external SD card (which is now Portable mode) will be visible as a separate item again in Total Commander or ES File Explorer file manager. Now copy back the backup you made on your laptop wherever, back into the SD card location. Restart device just to be safe. And you should now have everything as before, but now in Portable mode.

MARSHMALLOW CONNECTING DEVICE VIA USB

When you connect your Marshmallow device via USB to your laptop, you will need to explicitly set the USB options from the notification area - change it from "USB for Charging" to "Transfer File (MTP)" etc.

WHY INTERNAL MODE REDUCES FALLBACK OPTIONS FOR USERS

I currently use a Mac laptop and the USB connection between Macs and Android can sometimes get flaky ("restart device", "plug it in again", etc. etc.). I just wanted to move some large 4K video that was on the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 running Android 5.0.3 to a Mac. What are the options left for moving large multi-gigabyte files stuck on your phone ?

On the AndroidOne devices, the two OTG adapters I had were not working (they were not working on the Nexus 4, but worked on the Samsung Galaxy Note and Note 4 devices). So what do I do ? One could use Bluetooth or Wifi transfer options - but do you really want to transfer huge files that way ?

In such situations, I have often used the built-in SD card on the Note and Note 4 to transfer the data - copy it over using the Samsung file manager (My Files) or ES File Explorer or Total Commander apps, remove SD card, plug it into your laptop. This is a reliable and fallback solution of last resort.

What will you do if you have already "booked" your SD card slot by having let Marshmallow "Adopt" your external SD card ? You can't remove this card and plug another SD card, because all your data is on the original SD card. And that card is ext4 formatted and encrypted on top of that (thanks to Internal mode). So what do you do ? You better hope OTG works, or Bluetooth or WiFi solutions work to transfer the 10 GB of 4K movie data you have on your device.

For this reason, the way the Internal mode co-opts the SD card slot removes one of the most basic fallback options available to users. Choosing Internal mode, not only deprives users of access to their built-in local storage, but it also takes away control over the SD card ("your SD card belong to us").

It's only real utility seems to be for under-$100 or later under-$50 devices - which may have lower than 8 GB of internal storage. And where you are alright about throwing the phone away if your data gets stuck on the device.

Of course Google Drive is the other option - but it will be as slow as Bluetooth or Wifi transfer for multi-gigabyte 4K video files.

EDIT: (Feb 9, 2016)

There is a Moto web page outlining the difference between Portable and Internal mode (new in Marshmallow). It also includes screenshots:

Marshmallow - SD card - Tips and Tricks - Marshmallow: what is changing

[iLog]

Gracias por las respuestas!!

Enviado desde mi GT-I9505 mediante Tapatalk

[albrsu]

 Cita: Originalmente Escrito por LosBrisas

Para la versión de 8 GB yo recomendaría 5.1.1 porque 6.0 usa más RAM... por otra parte la versión 6.0 deja más almacenamiento libre, 3,8 GB vs 5 GB aproximadamente en el modelo de 8 GB, el problema es que no se recomienda usar la SD para "ampliar" el almacenamiento interno del dispositivo por la cantidad de bugs y la lentitud que adopta el dispositivo. Realmente yo me quedaría si tuviera la versión 8/1 en 5.1.1 y con la tarjeta iría tirando pasando algunas aplicaciones ya que no presenta problemas en este aspecto comparado con Marshmallow.

Saludos !

Ya hay solución para este problema?

Mi madre tiene este móvil versión 8Gb y ahora le salta este problema de la tarjeta. Tb tiene Android Marshmallow.

Si no hay solución definitiva sólo veo dos opciones:
1°-Volver a Android 5.1. Aún se puede? Cómo?
2º- Si lo anterior no fuera posible dejaría Android 6 pero con la tarjeta microSD como memoria externa sólo para fotos y multimedia

Gracias

[capello1]

 Cita: Originalmente Escrito por albrsu

Ya hay solución para este problema?

Mi madre tiene este móvil versión 8Gb y ahora le salta este problema de la tarjeta. Tb tiene Android Marshmallow.

Si no hay solución definitiva sólo veo dos opciones:
1°-Volver a Android 5.1. Aún se puede? Cómo?
2º- Si lo anterior no fuera posible dejaría Android 6 pero con la tarjeta microSD como memoria externa sólo para fotos y multimedia

Gracias

Para volver a 5.1.1 tienes un tutorial en Roms y Desarrollo. Sigue los pasos adecuadamente.

[Koan]

Hola,

¿Sigue sin haberse solucionado a día de hoy el preoblema con las SD y MM?. No encuentro información al respecto.

Saludos.

[beninin]

 Cita: Originalmente Escrito por Koan

Hola,

¿Sigue sin haberse solucionado a día de hoy el preoblema con las SD y MM?. No encuentro información al respecto.

Saludos.

No se si en 6.0.1 estará arreglado, pero en 6.0 no

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[r@in]

 Cita: Originalmente Escrito por beninin

No se si en 6.0.1 estará arreglado, pero en 6.0 no

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Mucho tiene que mejorar para que vuelva a meter una SD como interna en android.

El día menos pensado te quedas sin la mitad de las APPs y sin los archivos que no tengas BK.

[beninin]

 Cita: Originalmente Escrito por r@in

Mucho tiene que mejorar para que vuelva a meter una SD como interna en android.

El día menos pensado te quedas sin la mitad de las APPs y sin los archivos que no tengas BK.

Con las de 16 GB no pasa, sólo dan problemas las de más capacidad.

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[r@in]

 Cita: Originalmente Escrito por beninin

Con las de 16 GB no pasa, sólo dan problemas las de más capacidad.

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Pues mi Evo de 16 GB debe ser la excepción.

1 año en un lumia perfecta , 1 semana en el moto e inservible.

Repito que los moto tienen un serio problema con las SD como interna. He leído casos con varias marcas, incluidas las Sandisk.

Me inclino a pensar que al ser internas y funcionar el 100% del tiempo, las machaca por dentro, y creo que si hay más casos con las Evo, se debe en parte a que seguramente es la más vendida.

[beninin]

 Cita: Originalmente Escrito por r@in

Pues mi Evo de 16 GB debe ser la excepción.

1 año en un lumia perfecta , 1 semana en el moto e inservible.

Repito que los moto tienen un serio problema con las SD como interna. He leído casos con varias marcas, incluidas las Sandisk.

Me inclino a pensar que al ser internas y funcionar el 100% del tiempo, las machaca por dentro, y creo que si hay más casos con las Evo, se debe en parte a que seguramente es la más vendida.

Las Samsung evo son las que me han dado problemas a mi también, ahora uso sandisk, aunque nunca lo he hecho como interna.

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[Koan]

Entonces, ¿nadie ha probado la 6.0.1?, ¿los que usáis el 6.0 dejáis la tarjeta como externa para uso de almacenamiento de datos?¿o aconsejáis quedarse en Lollipop?

He comprado el móvil el viernes, el de 16gb y a posteriori empecé a leer estos problemas... --_--'

Y justo tengo una tarjeta EVO de 32gb :/

[r@in]

Ahora le he metido una Samsung clase 6 de 16 Gb que tenia por casa como memoria portátil.

Espero que me aguante más que la Evo que tenía como interna.